>>>>>>>http://www.news10.net/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=68596
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>>>>>>>Big 5 has a sale going, They're selling 9mm Luger ammo at 14.99 a box. That's down from 21.99 a box. At that price I'm going to run down & get some because come february qwhen this new lawy takes affect, the price of ammo will go through the roof.
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>>>>>>>Given enough regulations wrapped around , even a constitutional right stops being a right.
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>>>>>>What is so insiduous about this? As I am reading it the new requirement is that bullets in gun shops be kept out of reach. I have no problem with that.
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>>>>>>It also strikes me as an NRA-inspired publicity campaign. The new enactment is buried among many others in an end of term catchup bill. I suspect it will have very little effect on life in California other than to shoplifters of bullets in gun shops. My suspicion is only the eagle eyed would have even noticed. Blam, wabbit!
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>>>>>1) The law requires that the customer provide a fingerprint. I thought the constitution protected me from illegal search & seizure??
>>>>>2) Ammo cannot be mail ordered into CA any more? What morin dreamed this one up?
>>>>>3) The price of ammo will now go through the roof
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>>>>>This is just another attempt to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. What's next? A DNA sample?
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>>>>>Good thing I live a few hours from AZ. I can simply drive there & buy my ammo.
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>>>>Kevin, let me get this straight, and please do not take it as a personal attack. I respect you for having served in the armed forces and your libertarian posts here. Please tell me why it is an infringement on anyone's rights that ammo not be kept in the front case. I sincerely don't get it.
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>>>As I said above, one aspect of the law requires that the customer provide a fingerprint each time they buy ammo. Records of ammo purchases will be kept on file for 5 years.
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>>>Why should I have to give a fingerprint to buy ammo so I can excersize my second emmendment right?
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>>The same reason that if I want a newspaper to print my letter or article, I have to give my real name. ( or should have to) I don't see where making somebody responsible for their own actions is an infringement of constitutional rights. I support the 2nd amendment as much as anyone and at various times have had FFLs going up through class III but I don't buy into every argument the gun dealer lobby makes for reducing their own paperwork (and making certain kinds of back door sales more difficult.)
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>>If somebody, working through proxies, is stockpiling certain kinds of ammo, I would feel more comforted than not if the ATF (about whom I have all kinds of mixed feelings) know who they are.
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>>I've been a regular attendee at gun shows in the mid west since I was 12 and have displayed and sold at more than a few. Met some very nice people who are just as fascinated by guns, their history and their use as I am. I've also met a whole lot of people who absolutely scare the crap out of me - and my tolerance for that kind of thing is pretty high.
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>>I think most gun laws are stupid and just feel good nonsense that is more trouble than it is worth - but tracking ammo is not a waste of resources. ( if tracers and regulation had not become the norm for Semtex and its friends, the evening news would look like a Bruce Willis movie. <s> )
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>>(also worth mentioning this kind of paper trail is very useful in RICO cases involving biker gangs and outfits like KKK, Aryan Nation and the Covenant, the Sword and the Arm of the Lord)
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>This is an absurd law. Tracking ammo will do ZIP to stop, alter, or otherwise reduce crime. Consider this scenerio:
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>Tom goes into Wal-Mart and buys 5 boxes of .38 ammo for his revolver. Goes to the range to shoot, decides not to shoot it all.
>Rather than cart the last box home, hands it to the guy in the next lane, Bob.
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>Bob takes it home, where it sits on a shelf for 6 months. Bob then give it to his cousin Earl.
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>Earl drives from CA to TN with the ammo in his car. Sells it to his friend Dick for $5.
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>Dick hold up a convenience store & shoots the clerk with ammo orignally from CA and purchased by Tom. Since it's a revolver, no
>brass is left behind.
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>Tom was never, nor will ever be, a factor in this crime, nor will anyone ever know the ammo came from CA. How does Tom's
>fingerprints help or stop this crime? Why should Tom be inconvenienced, or have his right against search & seizure infringed upon?
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>The way this ammo moved around is common. I have given away or been given, or purchased ammo from another person, more times than I can remember. Since the cops cannot force me to privide any info on who I gave it to, then the law is useless.
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>All it did was force Tom to spend $20 on his box of ammo instead of the $14 it was before this law.
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>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"
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>This law is another step into infringement.

That's like saying the phone company should be free because you have a right to "free" speech. <s>

Making you give a thumbprint when you buy ammo isn't infringing anything and for the scenario you describe above I don't imagine it would have any effect at all - including the price, unless a dealer somewhere decided it was a good excuse to jack prices to "cover the cost of all this damn Zog recordkeeping"

The purpose is not to track ammo, prevent crime or infringe on anything. It is a tool law enforcement thinks it needs to make some RICO cases.

It is more about being able to track sales patterns - mostly through particular dealers. I don't know if it as a good law or a bad law or if it will work or it won't but I don't feel at all personally threatened by it. If I were selling ammo I'd hate it, but then I hate pretty much anything involving government, regulation and taxes.

But it is a lot less of a feel good piece of nonsense than hand-gun bans or "assualt" weapon bans. ( though both of those have been a financial windfall for a segment of the gun-dealing community. Ain't nothin' drives up the price like a feel-good law)