>>>>>>>>Not just angry white people but angry middle and older aged white people. Look up the demographics and get back to me, OK?
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>>>>>>>And why, exactly, does that make their concerns or anger invalid? If one were to characterize a protest as "just a bunch of angry young black people" would that make their concerns not worth considering?
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>>>>>>>If you have issues with their issues, fine, but you are arguing against *who* they are, not what they believe.
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>>>>>>I am arguing against what they believe. It sure aren't the principles this country was founded on.
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>>>>>This country was founded upon the notion of less government, less taxes, and free enterprise.
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>>>>>Obama and the democrats are diametrically opposed to all three.
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>>>>That is a complete misunderstanding of our founding principles. Our founders put a lot of thought into what form of government the new country should have. There were differences between them, Jeffersonians vs. Haliltonians, but none of them believed we should just run around like hillbillies. They established a very strong government with three branches, federal powers and state powers, on and on.
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>>>Again you evade the original premise. Reread: This country was founded upon the notion of less government, less taxes, and free enterprise, it has nothing to do with a strong federal government. It originally had to do with States Rights of Sovereignty (sp?) until the first of the progressives and libs usurped states rights and formed big government to take care of everyone. Quit reading your history books the way you want, read what's written...
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>>We definitely disagree about the origins of the U.S. If we were founded on the principle of less government why did the founders establish so much of it? They intended it.
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>You really weren't paying attention in history class. the strength of the American Constitution was the set of limits it placed on the government and on each branch in counterbalance to the others. Previously in most governments it had been assumed all power flowed from the top down. we got a system designed for power to come from the bottom up. "derived from the just consent of the governed" the size of government is a much much more recent phenomenon than the founding. Hamilton was considered a big government monarchist for even wanting a national bank or a standing army. BIg government is a very modern concept - with roots that hark more to Bismark than Jefferson or Adams.

Bismarck. And didn't he come along a little later?