>>>Are you saying that without a God, there would be no kindness and no goodness? Honestly, please show SOME respect.
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>>There is. As I've said, their is innate goodness in a man but fall short of God's standard at least biblically speaking. Man's goodness and kindness, love, forgiveness, etc are all conditional as opposed to that of God's. Jesus Christ modeled it by forgiving the unforgivable and loving those who are unlovable. So unless a Man's spirit is quickened by God's spirit, man is deemed to fail...
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>I am not going to comment more on this.

I think that's a better idea because the discussion will not be short. And I have a feeling that we will not understand each other no matter how we intelligently explain our sides. Sorry Tore...

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>"Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens," ("Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain."). Friedrich Schiller, Talbot, in: The Maid of Orleans