Hi Evan ---
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>Do you think this will work in his example? Since columncount is -1 there aren't any controls in the grid, just a table reference.
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Sure, why not? The Columns are instantiated before the form is and at that point VFP has it's ducks lined up regarding the Columns collection and what each column contains.
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