>>>>>>Did the sack involve battery cables? If not, it wasn't hard enough.
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>>>>>>Good point :)
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>>>>>>But he did get picked off to end the game - that was fun to watch.
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>>>>>>I was Eagle neutral before the Eagles got Vick - after getting Vick, I became an Eagle hater. Vick is P.O.S. dog killer.
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>>>>>But he didn't know it was wrong!!!!
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>>>>So he lies about it too...BTW, that was Whoopi's explanation. According to her, dog fighting is common in the south and those ignorant southerners don't know it's illegal. Show's how ignorant they both are. It's not common, and where and when it does occur, it is hidden because it's known as illegal. Sure it's common -- so are other crimes -- among criminals.
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>>>>Regardless, it is CRUEL and he knew that.
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>>>But nobody TOLD him it was illegal!!!!!
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>>We truly see this in different ways. What made me respect him in this whole sordid deal is that he does not deny what he did was wrong.
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>>And where do you get off judging him? I imagine you had a comfortable, crime free upbringing. He did not.
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>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick
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>>Vick is the second of four children born in Newport News, Virginia to Brenda Vick and Michael Boddie, then unmarried teenagers.[6] His mother worked two jobs, obtained some public financial assistance, and had help from her parents, while his father worked long hours in the shipyards as a sandblaster and spray-painter.[7] They were married when Michael was about five years old, but the children elected to continue to use their "Vick" surname. The family lived in the Ridley Circle Homes, a public housing project in a financially depressed and crime-ridden neighborhood located in the East End section of the port city. A 2007 newspaper article published in the Richmond Times-Dispatch noted "not much changed" by observations of local people almost ten years after Michael Vick left. One resident said that there was drug dealing, drive-by shootings and other killings in the neighborhood, then suggested that sports were a way out and a dream for many.[8]
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>>In a 2001 interview, Vick told the Newport News Daily Press that when he was 10 or 11, "I would go fishing even if the fish weren't biting, just to get away from the violence and stress of daily life in the projects."[8]
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>>That's not being bleeding heart, it's just recognizing that he came from different circumstances.
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>>I don't know if it was established that the dog fighting was his idea, either, just that they happened on his property. Guys who become successful athletes and come into a lot of money sometimes remain in touch with childhood friends they probably shouldn't. Or hangers on. Or maybe he's guilty as hell. IAC my point was that he did his penance, seems repentant, and should be given a second chance.
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>1) You need to have a comfortable, crime free upbringing to know that torturing dogs is wrong?
>2) People use a turbulent upbringing as a crutch to enable bad behavior, similar to how people use the term "alcoholism" (this is NOT directed at you, I can provide examples if you need proof), "sexual addiction", etc.
>3) I "get off judging him" because I've never tortured dogs.

You completely missed my point so i won't bother repeating it.