>I understand that page different than you, for me what the page is saying is that the variable used in the with expression must be initialized and different than nothing, so
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>        Dim loRow As DataRow = Nothing
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>        With loRow
>            [ statements ]
>        End With
>

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>violates point #2. But then, I forgot to bring my lunch so it is possible I misunderstood everything!

I do not have any With/End With syntax anywhere in anything I did since I have been in that business.