>Yes, as Hugo said ... it's not really saying don't initially set an object to Nothing, it's saying that in order to use the With, you need to be sure your object is instantiated first ... which makes sense! There's absolutely nothing wrong with initially setting an object to Nothing. I do it frequently when I have situations where I want to determine whether an object needs to be instantiated or not by first checking If MyObject = Nothing.

Yes, but as I just replied to him, the With/End With syntax doesn't exist in anything I do.