Donny,

Pg 72 doesn't refute anything I've posted here about reference counters. The first sentence is about 1/2 right though. It says the release of the object won't succeed (although in this case because of the external reference to frmInvoice's contained object.) That part is right.

But there is no way to as in the second sentence says to release the object. You release memvars that are references to object. It's a subtle but distinct difference.

>This statement set me on a search for something I was *sure* I had read in the VFP documentation. The Developer's Guide does say that RELEASE *releases the original object* , however it also says that "releasing the object does not clear the object from memory". So appearently their is some difference between the commonly held definition of release and the strict VFP difinition. President Clintons lawyers should be proud of team VFP for this one. *g* (See page 72 of the V5 Developer's Guide under the heading "Releasing Object and References from Memory".)