>>If you took one of the old timers and let them play with VS they would think they had died and gone to heaven.
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>>That's actually debatable. I agree with you that some would - others might find it over-engineered. It's unfortunate that Borland is no longer really around, because they would have kept VS on its toes.
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>Agreed!
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>They probably would have made Delphi not suck and it would compete against .NET too.

Are you saying it always sucked? I worked with it for a year and sure didn't think that. Its principal architect was the guy who played the same role with VS and (to my surprise) Turbo Pascal.