>Maybe if we had gun control like the rest of the civilized world I might somehow be convinced that I should go the extra yard on the death penalty. I dunno.
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>When law abiding citizens are not able to purchase a gun legally, you know who has all the guns? The criminals. They can find illegal ways to obtains them. Criminals love uinarmed victims.

as the consensus seems to be that Grover doesn't exists why argue with him ?