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>>>In everything they say they can do safely, there have been enormous spills that have permanently polluted our lands and water.
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>Seriously? You're going to argue the semantics of permanently?

1) Claiming semantics

You have claimed "permanent" damage and that the companies involved in specific accidents have claimed there will be "no incidents". I'm questioning those claims while providing contrary evidence.

>Are you drinking the oil man's kool-aid?

2.1) Attacking your critic instead of the argument.

>>Even if it is "significantly harder" that does not mean impossible nor unmanageable.
>>I'll acknowledge that the Exxon Valdez spill is taking significantly longer to clean itself up than originally expected, but that is a far cry from "permanent". In contrast the gulf spill is cleaning itself significantly faster than expected.
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>You're buying this bullshit that the gulf is cleaning itself up?

2.2) Again attacking your critic instead of the argument
3) Using an expletive to enhance said criticism of your critic

>They spilled 4.9 million barrels of oil into the gulf.

BP was not on the list of 3 I presented as they are not involved in shale oil or oil sands in the US.

>On top of that they dumped millions of gallons of carcinogenic Corexit to hide the problems.

4) Editing out refutation of your previous statements and changing the subject.

However, I'll still bite. ;)

The plan to use chemical dispersants was reported prior to their use. While it could be argued that there was an attempt to "hide" the actual spill-rate, one cannot conclude that BP was trying to "hide the problems" through the use of dispersents. Contrairily, they were trying to help clean up the mess with the help of the Coast Guard as reported prior to the use of the dispersents.

British energy giant BP, which operated the Deepwater Horizon oil rig before it exploded, caught fire and sank last week leaving 11 workers dead, plans to use chemical dispersants underwater to limit the impact from the ruptured well.
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Two C-130 cargo aircraft with Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS) lent to the spill mitigation efforts by the Department of Defense can cover 250 acres (101 hectares) of oil with dispersants per flight, with three flights per aircraft planned for each day.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hew_8EkXXu79vuYRZ96WrFWDzQOw

>The problem didn't clear itself up. It's hiding underwater because of the Corexit.

Am I to understand that your claim that the Gulf is not cleaning itself is because you know the oil and dispersants are "hiding"? This appears more of faith-based as opposed to a fact-based belief.

fwiw : I never claimed it is cleared up, rather that the "gulf spill is cleaning itself significantly faster than expected."

>Pollution (oil and corexit) will be washing up on shore and entering our food chain for decades to come.

Please provide documented proof to back up the claim that "oil and corexit" will be "entering our food chain for decades to come."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110420081520.htm
NOAA has reopened to commercial and recreational fishing 1,041 square miles of Gulf waters immediately surrounding the Deepwater Horizon wellhead, just east of Louisiana. This is the twelfth and final reopening in federal waters since July 22, and opens all of the areas in Federal waters formerly closed to fishing due to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
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As announced on October 29, NOAA and FDA developed and implemented a chemical test to detect the presence of dispersants in fish, oysters, crabs and shrimp. The level of concern for dispersants is 100 parts per million for finfish and 500 parts per million for shrimp. The test can reliably detect Dioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate (DOSS) at levels of 2000 times below the lowest level of concern. The results of chemical testing showed that 99 percent of samples contained no detectable dispersant residues, and the few samples that did contain dispersant residues showed levels more than 1000 times lower than FDA levels of concern.


>I'm going to repeat my statement because it still holds true:

5) "A lie told often enough becomes the truth" - Lenin

You made the claims once. I offered evidence in refutation. The ball is still in your court if you wish to return volley.
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