>>>Bill Sanders got banned?
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>Yes, from memory he got into a tiff with KG and ended up challenging him to a sword duel. Or maybe that was somebody else.
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>Lest anybody read anything more into that: no, I don't think BS framed KG. IMHO the scenario of somebody building a false trail behind a fake ID over weeks or months just so they can get their target blamed for calling somebody an ass, is beyond belief. I'd be interested to know whether anybody has examples of people laying such a trail for an online ID in real life.

In a way I am glad to see this whole brouhaha die down. The way I am not glad is I still believe an innocent member has been unfairly banned for life. I have had several emails back and forth with Kevin the past few days. If he really was Grover, he is the best liar in the history of the world, His belief, and mine as well, is that "Grover" 1) acted for unknown reasons; and 2) faked Michel out completely. For sure we don't know how or why it was done. There are any number of possible scenarios besides the one you describe. Kevin could have been chosen semi-randomly as a high profile forum member.

BTW, he said one very interesting thing to me. He said his password suddenly stopped working a month or so ago and he had to get a new one. Didn't Victor A. and John B. say the same thing? Maybe they should be watching their backs.