Perry,

We all start somewhere I like to think I've learned a thing or two in the last 23 years of programming *s*. I'd highly recommend getting Cooper's book.

>Thanks for the link to the "Hall of Shame". I've been looking for just the type of suggestions those folks provide. As a developer, I don't consider myself anywhere near the level of youself and others here. But I'm trying to get there. What I can provide now, is that I can sit down with users and translate their needs into a usable system.
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>I think that the problem with way too many programmers is that discussions such as the one here on Access and Assign methods takes precendence over UI design.