>>I do not hate him. I don't know him. I hate his policies. Not quite the same thing.

Not wanting to derail a thread about torture, but since you mention hatred of policies and have said before that you're close to benefiting from Medicare: how do you think the predictable $42trillion Medicare deficit should be funded? It does matter to you personally since Medicare will collapse unless somebody comes up with a way to fund or reduce that hole. I'm not sure whether you "hate" borrowing but you do abhor it, so are you going to give up your Medicare entitlements or are you expecting young people to pay higher taxes to cover your care because you perceived it as a right to minimize your own taxes as your predictable deficit grew and grew? I'd have to say that our generation really was selfish, preferring to play the grasshopper while lecturing about being responsible. Even disinterested youth will eventually figure it out if oldsters try to palm off that $42T deficit: then all it needs is leadership and Generation Y will convert its distrust of mainstream politics (including cynicism far greater than that shown here about the thread topic) into calls to action. Tea will be thrown from ships and Things Will Change.