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10/11/2011 14:30:57
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., Nouvelle Zélande
 
 
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Not much point discussing further if you only ever respond to the straw man of abolition of personal property.

Stopping at traffic lights may be a reduction of liberty/property rights, but it is not a call for abolition of personal property or to bring back Lenin.

It's the opposite: by willingly stopping at traffic lights (and sailing through on the green when it is my turn) I contribute to order and property value in the community, compared to the absolute "Wild West" liberty you seem to advocate which sounds great in a sound bite but devalues property and liberty for everybody except bandits in real life. Seems to me that extreme positions are equally useless whether they be far left or far right.

Paying enough into a compulsory scheme to make it self-sustaining and reduce cost for future citizens, does not alter your "affluence" compared to others in your community, since you're all doing it. It does increase personal security and also creates cash surpluses for a vigorous main board but also for hot new companies who may be starved of cash. Contributors to such schemes also can hold their heads high in front of youngsters because they've left the nation with something much better than when they arrived, as previous generations did for you.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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