I am surprised that an 8 foot fall could do that much damage. I have intentionally jumped from heights of probably 6 feet. But in that scenario you are going to land on your feet on a soft surface, namely grass.

Hats off for remaining a health nut at your age. I played basketball about every day into my mid 30s and ran seriously for about another decade after that. Not much since then. Periodically I threaten to take up running again but it's hard for my knees to take the pounding. I generally always ran on hard surfaces like pavement rather than soft surfaces (stupidly). Here is my latest vow, LOL -- when the snow is gone I will look for a soft surface. Or at least walk regularly, which supposedly has a lot of the benefits of running without the toll on the body. Sitting in front of the computer is not an aerobic exercise.

>Thanks Mike, I was pretty stupid being on that ladder without someone holding it - if I wasn't such a heathy "nut" at my age (late 50's), I suspect it would have been much much worse. It would have been a 911 call for most people my age I am sure.
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>The fall was like something you see in the movies. I was on a ladder leaning on a building, and I was about 8 feet off the ground. All of a sudden, it begin to slip backwards - so I had a choice of letting it slip back - at which point I figured it would split my head wide open as it was a metal roof. Or, 2nd option to just to bail sideways off the ladder and hit the ground on my left side. So, I did the 2nd option and hit the ground but didn't hit any rocks or stones, and there were a lot in that area. Funny thing is, this seemed like I had 30 minutes to figure and plan how to bail, but it was only like 5 seconds. Wierd.
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>At first I just shook the pain off and it begin to get better. Then, couple months later I fell again on the same shoulder by slipping on the wet steps of a camper. That caused it to really flare up again even more. The real Issue was I had a bone spur that hit a muscle and caused tremendous pain over time (but no roto cuff damage). A $10,000+ arthroscopic surgery and 2 months of physical therapay fixed it, so I blessed to be back to almost 100%.
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>I always felt before like I could beat any pain, but after this I can see thats not the case...:)
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>>Hey Mel, sorry to hear about the accident and surgery but glad to hear you are almost all the way back.
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>>>Hi Thomas, since I can't speak to Servoy pricing as I am in no way tied to them other than having a paid developers license/renewal - I could perhaps be giving inacurate information out about their pricing and terms - and I didn't think that would be what I should do in an open forumn.
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>>>But the PM just included the name of my Servoy Sales rep and his contact information. I will provide you his name by PM if you wish. There was nothing else special in the PM, other than my health issue this past year - I fell off a ladder and hurt my shoulder, had surgery, I back to 99.9% of where I was before the fall.
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>>>I will say this, anyone who has concern(s) or does not understand Servoy pricing should contact the company directly for clarification and discussions about it.
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>>>>Why PM ?
>>>>Ken is supporting it here quite openly -
>>>>The reports I have heard have more variation than expected:
>>>>from praise over indifference to disappointment,
>>>>and no easy to spot correlation with programmer skill,
>>>>expectations, habits and so on.
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>>>>I will do some basic calisthenics in it soon just to get a better picture.
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>>>>>I am sending you a PM about Sevoy that you might find helpful.
>>>>>>I know people ask over and over again and I think I have even asked the question before but "if not VFP then what" ?