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That giant thud you heard coming from DC
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28/03/2012 19:48:38
John Baird
Coatesville, Pennsylvanie, États-Unis
 
 
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>>...was the sound of Obamacare collapsing in on its indefensible self.
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>>2 years ago I posted The End of the Republic Thread #1456212
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>>Yesterday, like a phoenix, I saw a feather stir in her ashes.
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>>I watched with great amusement as various stories hit the wire last week about how Justices Roberts, Scalia and Kennedy would be upholding the individual mandate based on various decisions from the past. Going in to Tuesday's oral arguments, if one was so ill informed in the Constitution, one may have actually believed that one or maybe all three may come out on the side of upholding the law.
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>>3 minutes into his opening statement Solicitor General Verrilli is challenged by Kennedy "Can you create commerce in order to regulate it?" and a smile began to appear on my face.
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>>Then Scalia "if I'm in any market at all, my failure to purchase something in that market subjects me to regulation?"
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>>Then Roberts "the market in emergency services: police, fire, ambulance, roadside assistance, whatever. You don't know when you're going to need it you're not sure that you will. But the same is true for health care."
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>>Then Alito "Do you think there is a market for burial services?"
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>>Verrilli's answers were weak. More important to listeners was the way he answered: unsure, stumbling & unimpressive. After 2 years to prepare he seemed to have no defense. Not surprising given that an individual mandate is indefensible under the US Constitution.
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>>By the time Ginsburg spoke up, she was basically offering Verrilli a life line, "Mr. Verrilli, I thought that your main point is that, unlike food or any other market, when you made the choice not to buy insurance, even though you have every intent in the world to self-insure, to save for it, when disaster strikes, you may not have the money."
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>>30 minutes into Tuesday's arguments the writing was on the wall.
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>>Nearly every court watcher across the political spectrum agrees that the day was a disaster for the individual mandate, which of course makes it a glorious day for the Republic.
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>>The story today is not whether the mandate will survive, but rather whether or not the Court will strike down the entire law or just pieces.
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>>I still won't exhale until the actual decision is made but I feel a lot better about it today then I have in 2 years.
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>>My prediction, the mandate is the lynchpin and the whole kit-and-kaboodle is a goner.
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>>Transcript : http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/11-398-Tuesday.pdf
>>Audio : http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_audio_detail.aspx?argument=11-398-Tuesday
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>Agreed. I certainly do not share your delight that we apparently will remain the only developed nation without a decent health care program. But it seems clear that Kennedy will join the four sure Republican votes on the court and torpedo the individual mandate. It doesn't really matter whether they strike down the whole thing or not because without everyone having to contribute the economics just won't work.
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>I am sure they have some legal rationale but it puzzles me that this is the first time in nearly 80 years that the Supreme Court has seen fit to strike down legislation. The way I learned it in school that is the role of the, you know, legislature.


Where did you study? It's the role of the legislative branch to enact or repeal laws as they see fit, its the power of the Judicial to strike down unconstitutional laws.... I too am happy to see this monster being gutted like a perch. It was a piece of feel good liberal legislation that increased costs, made criminals of those who didn't participate and forced everyone to pay more...... they railroaded it through the republicans, glad to see the judicial shoving back down liberal throats...
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