Mark --

Unfortunately, that will not suffice. In general, the contents of the editbox will contain lines that
are automatically wrapped, as entire paragraphs are come in as a single line.

>>I do not see how your suggestion helps. How would I know when to use this opaque shape
>>over the scroll bar?
>>
>>What I am looking for is a way to only show the scroll bar if the text takes up more lines
>>than will show.
>
>How about basing the visibility of the shape on the value of ALINES()?
>
>-m.