>>Tamar
>>
>>I appreciate the effort you are going to, but you're not going to win. I think it's another case of "Regious oppression" that the Religious Right and the GOP have been touting. You know, the "you're oppressing me because you won't let me oppress others" thing. It's really a pity when people forget to actually READ the book.
>>
>>It becomes more of a pity when, if they actually stopped a moment and realized that no one is stopping them from praying anywhere they want to - we just want to stop them from forcing everyone else to join in. No one is trying to tell them how to worship their God, except other groups of them and they can fight amonst themselves all they want - just don't drag the rest of us into it.
>>
>>To me, the telling thing is when you look at someone who espouses things like this and say "Fine, you want prayers in school? Then we have a Catholic prayer, a Protestant prayer, a Muslim prayer, a Jewish prayer, a Hindu prayer, a Buddist prayer, etc" and watch them scream oppression of Christianity.
>
>Yeah, when my husband runs into one of those "we need to have the 10 commandments in [fill in wherever]" people, he likes to ask them "which version"? Most of them have no idea that different Judeo-Christian groups have different lists.
>
>FWIW, anytime I argue about this kind of stuff online, I'm aware that I'm unlikely to convince the person I'm arguing with. But I always hope that I can make cogent enough arguments that I convince some lurkers.
>
>Tamar

My husband is fond of "What do you expect from a pig but a grunt?" when I get into these arguments.

And the thing that really amazes me about arguments like this one is that Koran states that Christians and Jews should be respected for being "People of the Book", even though we're a tad bit misguided (right tree, wrong branch). Maybe it's that whole European Christian thing of "we're so much better than everyone else because" attitude that's the fly in the ointment?