Any thoughts on Devry? I don't know hardly anything about them - but I did work with a guy who was our system administrator that had a b.s. and then a masters degree from there. The guy was next to useless and reeeally reallly slow to get anything done. My biggest complaint was that he had a habit of refusing to do anything other than the way his teachers had said to it. For example it took me over a week of arguing with the guy to get him to turn of 'scan network drives' on the workstation's anti-virus software. It was his first "real world" job so I'm sure that had something to do with it. I'm assuming this isn't typical of Devry grads.

>I started out in Computer Science in college, but after getting about half-way through, I switched to Information Systems Management, a degree from the College of Business because I felt the CS program was flawed and ISM was a better fit for the real world.
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>There is a small private college here in Utah called Neumont University that was setup specifically to teach programmers. Some of the biggest names in the industry helped devise the program. Names like Joe Celko, Bruce Eckel, Terry Halpin, and several others. They teach several different languages and technologies, and use a project-based approach. It's a great program, but expensive.
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>>I completely agree. There is certainly a place for CS as constituted, but it is pretty esoteric. A major in Business Technology that required fluency in at least one development platform and proven ability to do analysis, design and implementation of both a small business and and enterprise app coupled with lots of courses on learning domain cultures, project management, general business organization and technology connectivity might actually put some useful people into the workplace. And internship of some sort in actually businesses should be required for a degree.
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>>Theoreticians and code monkeys really don't get paid very well, are easily swapped out parts and don't have nearly as much fun.
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>>I like the gardening analogy. I compare it to learning creative writing in a foreign language or learning to improvise based on a heavy knowledge of theory in music.
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>>Remember how when we first got into this a lot of the best software guys were musicians and philosophy majors?