>Guessing here, but I've had the same experience. I've found that when the DE loads a cursor, it's indexes are known. Try removing the cursor object from the DE, indexing, then reloading the cursor back into the DE and setting your grids recordsource.

a little off the subject, but ... how do you remove and then reload a cursor back into the DE in code? i have never been able to successfully manipulate the DE in code.

thanks - brenda