>>I think I worked for the same folks 14 or so years ago (based out of Topeka, KS). Two things I noticed: 1) The employees that they had hired as "counselors" were the bottom of the barrel. They were not folks with masters degrees and as far as being a "counselor" they were probably the worst of the worst (hence the low paying job they ended up with) and 2) I never saw so many people waste so much time to accomplish almost nothing. I recall having to sit in a meetings for two or more hours to talk about something that should of taken 10 minutes. I think these people actually prided themselves on the fact that they had jobs which had such low expectations of them that they were able to get away with not really doing a damn thing. When it came to talking about the app I was working on it was beyond ridiculous. I witnessed a 2 hour meeting that involved 8 people to discuss the icon to be used on an exit button on a screen.
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>What was the Microsoft guideline for this? Twenty people and three months, IIRC.

Yes but that doesn't include testing...hahaha