>>>>>The fact of the matter remains, and that is that the American society is a whole lot more violent and trigger happy than the swiss. The bigger question is how many innocent victims are acceptable before the US finally takes some action to this madness? Currently is about 30.000 a year. So how many are acceptable: 50.000, 100.000, 1.000.000
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>>>>Many Americans consider those deaths the price of freedom.
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>>>In my view, that is exactly what is wrong and totally nuts.
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>>>Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
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>>Popularized by Janis, but trite, and wrong, as you're no doubt aware.
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>>>Freedom and "Can do whatever you want" are two different things.
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>>Not as different as you'd think. How about, freedom is you can do whatever you want, as long as you don't impair others' freedom (?)
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>But who's the arbiter.

Whoever has the biggest gun ( or lawyer ) :)

>Certainly not the person who feels his/her freedom has been impared?

Any such person should be free to argue about any impairment they think they've suffered, with as big a gun or lawyer as they can muster :)

>The definition is too subjective.

That's a subjective opinion, if ever I heard one < bg >

Seriously, it's sometimes easy to word definitions in a way that seems elegant but can be maddening in practice. Sort of like how Mandelbrot and Julia sets are defined.

The US Constitution is considered elegant by many, but entire industries have arisen over its interpretation.