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The NRA Statement on Newtown
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02/01/2013 21:47:26
 
 
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01/01/2013 23:55:03
Thomas Ganss (En ligne)
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>>>>Do you really think Federal confiscation of at least 700 million guns is feasible? Are you seriously proposing this is a solution for the situation as it exists?
>...
>>>But consider: Start with a law that guns have to be registered and practiced.
>>>Disallow - at least partially - self defense as legal when done with a gun not registered,
>>>but brought along or kept at residence. Check for guns -
>>>and confiscate those not registered after half a year and keep looking for them.
>>>(The confiscation angle will more pacify the NRA then hinder criminals, but politics is compromize)
>>>
>>>In the 70's we had some acts of terror over here: some killings, some banks robbed.
>>>There was a crack down you would not believe -
>>>and as a side effect it got rid of some guns concealed on persons or in cars.
>>
>>The idea of the police going door to door to seach for unregistered guns sounds more like a fantasy to drum up NRA membership than a practical solution at any level. Use of an unregistered gun for any purpose (including self defense) being a felony is feasable. The problem is that scarcity or perceived scarcity raises value. Outlaw the millions of semi-automatic weapons currently out there and they become like gold as the paranoia this fuels drives up demand and there is an increased incentive to hoard them and trade them illegally.
>>
>>Strict laws against behavior work. Strict laws against substances or weapons don't.
>
>Was more thinking on eliminating the guns taken along for the evening: american dependance on cars would help a lot.
>Living in Frankfurt I was controlled sometimes twice a week at start - and the level of guns found was dropping
>sharply as was the usage in day2day personal conflicts happening in public places.
>
>Outlawing semi would be the wrong direction - starting to tax posession 10 years after registration,
>first via need to practice at a low level might be a smarter way. But flooding the US correction system
>with any gun owner found with normal search warrants fr other cases and car controls would help
>private jail owners more than the population at large..
>
>I realize that the military needs of a quasi-empire the US has become are much different from the swiss,
>but believe that totally going for paid-for services instead of being a civilian duty is part of the problem.
>
>FWIW: dunno the percentage of missed gold, but in the big depression private posesson of gold was outlawed,
>and gov made a nice deal for themselves with the metal received on forced buys and now in the Fed and Knox.
>Previous gold owners were certainly PO as their own foresight was nulled by force - political, opinion and police.

I think you are referring to what we call "stop and frisk" laws, allowing police to use either checkpoints ( like we have at airports) or 'reasonable cause" stop and search for weapons - with VERY heavy penalties for carrying without a permit.

I think they have been found very effective and I certainly don't have a problem with them if they are done professionally.


Charles Hankey

Though a good deal is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened.
- Thomas Hardy

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-- T. S. Eliot
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Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- Ben Franklin

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