>>>ya ok point taken...in this case anyway.
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>>>You should read two high-profile studies by Dr. Mark Rosenberg that concluded the risks of having a loaded gun in the home outweigh the benefits. "That was demonstrated if you counted dead bodies; it was demonstrated if you counted individuals shot but not killed; and tallied up the good guys versus the bad guys," said Dr. Arthur Kellermann, who led the research teams under Rosenberg's National Center for Injury Prevention program.
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>>>In 2009, the NIH study concluded that a person carrying a gun was nearly 4.5 times more likely to be shot in an assault than someone who is unarmed.
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>>>So yeah I admit I was wrong (hey first time for everything) about this specific case - however if you look at the overall numbers I'd say its pretty obvious that having a gun increases (sometimes HUGELY increases) the chances for a big problem. So hey put 50 loaded guns in your house and be sure to carry around a few of them too - because you're just soooo much safer...hahahaha
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>>I agree with some of these stats,. The issue is training. I spent 8 years in the Marines as a small weapons repairman. And I'v carried firearms in combat. I am as comfortable around firearms as I am mowing the lawn. I can shoot a wart off a fly's ass at 500 yards. Proficiency only comes though training, and something I would not be opposed to is a mandatory training class on how to handle a firearm before you can buy. We are required to be proficient in driving before we're licensed, so the same should hold true with guns.
>>I think if people were trained in how to use a gun you would have less stray rounds killing innocent people.
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>>But one point I disagree with you on is that last line. Statistics show that in the states where concealed carry is allowed (TX, CO, FL, NH), crime rates are lower. Why? because no one wants to take a chance on getting shot by a person defending themselves just to snatch their purse for $20.On the other hand, you look at UK, they took away the guns and they crime rate is through the roof.
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>Thanks for the meaningless UK comparison, we really appreciate being a straw for the NRA to hold onto..
> Gun ownership in the UK was very low before the Dunblane and Hungerford massacres so any increase in crime can't really be attached to a sudden removal of guns from law abiding citizens homes.Crime may be up or maybe not, its difficult to judge as measuring and reporting methods constantly change. You'd be hard put to find many in the UK who would even want routine arming of the police let alone the gun ownership levels you suffer from in the states.


Measuring crime is an interesting topic. January 2008 the Bush Administration announced that “Violent crime was down in the United States”. Yes sir that was a fact! Oh, in the next breath the Administration added, “However, rape and murder are up”! Simple! You change the criteria as to what constitutes violent crime. So rape and murder are not violent.