>>>>When there are no records in the grid, you can't get focus into a row, because there are no rows. So you can't down arrow to add a record. You could put >something in grid.click() to add a record if the the cursor is empty...
>>>This is another situation that has the grid screaming for a GotFocus and LostFocus event.
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>>Well, you have When and Valid...
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>>>I was hoping to test This.ActiveRow in the grid and if 0 APPEND a new record but can't determine where. I can't use .Click because the functionality has to be there when TABbing into the grid as well.
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>>'When' fires whether or not there are records in the grid. This would be a good plave to test for activerow and append a record if needed.
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>I thought of this to but during .When the grid doesn't have focus yet so .ActiveRow always returns 0
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>>>I've ended up using the COUNT... function in the grids .When event and in my >custom Form.DeleteRec event. If 0 then I APPEND.
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>>Be careful with COUNT, it moves the record pointer. For many apps this is annoying if not dangerous...
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>Like I said, I'm not totally happy with this approach but it's all I can come up with for now and because I'm deleting records I can't use RECCOUNT so basically I do the following:
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>ThisForm.LockScreen=.T.   prevents the visual annoyance
>mnrec=RECNO()
>COUNT......
>GOTO mnrec
>ThisForm.LockScreen=.F
>

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>Thanks for all the ideas.

how about

IF RECCOUNT(THIS.RecordSource) = 0