>I appreciate your cool calmness throughout them (and Doug's). It's rare to see. Usually people become aggressive because the ideals I propose run smack into and against the heart of the only system people have grown up knowing.

I agree. Civil people can discuss differing views without descending into vitriol, name-calling, and the every-popular (especially around here) "you're a moron". Civility, sadly, seems to be more and more rare these days, both in person and online.

Doug