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>>>Since you're lacking in historical perspective, here's some help. A map of Europe in 1944 at the invasion of Normandy:
>>>http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/citizensoldier/conflicts/WWIIeto/images/europomap.gif
>>>
>>>Germany owned all of Europe, and would have continued to do so if the US had not entered the war. I didn't say no one else contributed, but the US was the deciding factor.
>>>
>>to the embolded part:
>>the US entering was the deciding factor to divide germany via the iron curtain into 85 %west and 15% east -
>>largely measured by ground occupied at cease fire time and #/power of troops in germany -
>>and then exchange a lot of ground for Berlin.
>>
>>Now just as a SWAG: without the US entering odds were IMO:
>>01-03% of germany keeping as much ground as your map showed (needs major advance somewhere)
>>25-33% of germany getting a cease fire with the red army somewhere along the lines first agreed upon with Stalin
>>40-50% of most of germany becoming a vassal of UDSSR and countries west of it staying half-neutral at first
>>15-25% of countries west of germany becoming a vassal of the UdSSR same as all of germany as well.
>>
>>Charles ? Jos ? your take on such a scenario ?
>>
>>regards
>>
>>thomas
>
>98% Britain goes down because they had no food, ammunition, or weapons left because the US was the lifeline for them (go ahead - make up some convenient fiction to dispute that).
>
>Once Britain is gone, the Soviets meet the full German military and is relegated to Siberia in less than 2 years, and falls to wandering tribes shortly thereafter.
>
>Work hard on ignoring Stalin's pleas to the west to start an invasion to keep the Germans split.
>
>Go ahead - be creative with your fiction.

So the cream of the German army was in the West waiting for John Wayne and Tom Hanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

OKW Casualty Figures Sept 1, 1939 to Jan. 31, 1945

If the bulk of the German army wasn't being destroyed in the east the Allies would probably never have got off the beaches.

But you know if you want to believe the US won WW2 go ahead.
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