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Iran - Talks Are Pointless
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11/02/2013 08:08:43
Thomas Ganss (Online)
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>>>>Now just as a SWAG: without the US entering odds were IMO:
>>>>01-03% of germany keeping as much ground as your map showed (needs major advance somewhere)
>>>>25-33% of germany getting a cease fire with the red army somewhere along the lines first agreed upon with Stalin
>>>>40-50% of most of germany becoming a vassal of UDSSR and countries west of it staying half-neutral at first
>>>>15-25% of countries west of germany becoming a vassal of the UdSSR same as all of germany as well.
>>>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II
>>OKW Casualty Figures Sept 1, 1939 to Jan. 31, 1945
>>If the bulk of the German army wasn't being destroyed in the east the Allies would probably never have got off the beaches.
>>
>
>If US did not invade Normandy in time, they would probably meet Red Army there instead of weakened Germans.
>Despite being 'allies' I highly doubt Red Army would have greet them with vodka shots either. {g}
>In a sense US did 'save' Europe, but not from Hitler. Hitler was already on the verge of defeat. By entering Europe, they preserved
>what is today called 'West Europe' from becoming 'just a bit more western' - EastEurope!
>(Sharing fate of East Germany, Baltics republics, Poland, CzechoSlovakia, Hungary etc)
>Some people even speculate that those nuke.fireworx over Japan had been fired out more to influence/bust that carving out of West-East Europe borders between US/UK and USSR, then it was to defeat (already defeated) Japan.

reads a lot like my estimate ;-) But had the US not actively reinforced the british in africa theater,
bombed Italy and so on perhaps a defense perimeter near USSR border could have been established.
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