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'Freedom' As A Sales Tool And A Punch Line
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12/02/2013 20:40:31
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
 
 
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>>Constitutional Libertarian is the best way to describe him. I identify with him because we line up pretty well politically with the basis of our philosophies being that we tend to come down on the side of liberty and personal responsibility in most.

You "tend" to - meaning that some lines in the sand still are OK, but only if drawn by people who agree with you. Compare this to the platitudes:

>>> True freedom demands complete faith in the individual and the ability to be repulsed by their choices. True freedom dictates a hands-off policy that allows people to fail and be disgusting. True freedom means living, and letting live.

The correct label for these platitudes is "anarchy" where there are no boundaries or lines in the sand- not even those drawn by Constitutional Libertarian illuminati. ;-) So by his own standards, he's a hypocrite. See, we can all play that game as long as the other fellow states a position and we don't.

>>I've mentioned this before, traffic lights fall into the priviledge realm. Namely, driving is a priviledge not a right thus one submits voluntarily to the laws of the road in order to participate. It's similar to receipt examination at Costco v. Best Buy. At Costco you voluntarily submit to the rules when you sign up for membership and one of those rules is to show your receipt before leaving the store. At Best Buy that is not the case and you are under no obligation to show your receipt regardless of how pushy the door clerk.

That's sophistry, since you can define most activity as a privilege so that any loss of "freedom" is neatly redefined as a consequence of choosing to participate. Controls over smoking, fatty foods, guns and interference in practically any activity can be rationalized by this route.

>>As for "fire" in a crowded theatre, that's unconstitutional. From the 1st : "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech".

Perhaps theater proprietors can redefine attendance as a privilege in which case you willingly submit to their rules? You may say the right to free speech is guaranteed- but so is the pursuit of happiness behind the wheel of my car and you have no problem trampling my unalienable rights for that one. ;-)
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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