Sadly, Mr. Hodgin has focused on the absurd stories and not the message. Jesus no more turned water to wine or flew up to the alleged heaven than Mohammed rode a winged horse to Jerusalem and rose into the sky. Martyrs do not get 72 virgins. The correct translation of that message is that they get 72 raisins. The message of both religions is: Be an example by living a peaceful non-aggressive life.

The stories in the first and second Qur'an and also the Bible were exaggerated as they passed from person to person by mouth for at least four hundred years before being put in writing. Furthermore, at a meeting in Alexandria centuries ago, more than half the 'testaments' of the Bible were discarded and the Revelation of John was an add-in.

Mr. Hodgin, please do some historical research without relying on the scripture for the information. Once you are done that, you will have perhaps, caught up to the rest of us.


>Don't worry, Mike, I have one specific person's overuse of preaching in mind.
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>>Don't leave, Tore. You are one of the very best members. I promise to lay off religion if that will be any help.
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>>>The only good it does, is to his ego in his own mind. I have lost all my respect for that disrespectful man. I left Foxite partly because of his writing there, don't be surprised if I leave this forum also for the same reason.
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>>>>No disrespect meant, Rick ... but can we lay off the Bible-thumping topics for awhile? It's really a line of discussion that causes lots of heated words and hurt feelings. I can't see how that does anybody any good at all.
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>>>>>>All I can say is that if there really is a God he was in a bad mood when
>>>>>> he created mankind. Or maybe it was a warped cosmic sense of humor.
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>>>>>It relates to who we are. We were made in the image of God, Mike. We are not these flesh bodies, fighting with one another, mere mortals walking the Earth for a time having gone through evolutionary blah blah blah. We are eternal, spiritual beings caught up in sin. And sin cannot live in that place (eternity) because we have seen what it has done to this Earth, to men everywhere. God put into motion a plan to put an end to sin. Forever. It is what Heaven is.
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>>>>>The truth I do know, Mike. He is Jesus Christ. Notice I didn't say "it" for truth. He is truth. And when I say that, I mean it literally. We have the concept of truth here, which is honesty, goodness, foundational, immutable realities. The truth has one voice, while lies and deceit have a billion voices. The truth always exists no matter what lies are spread about it.
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>>>>>Jesus is truth. He is also love. All of this "cosmic sense of humor" you refer to ... God is putting away sin. All who go to that place will never hear His voice. Will never seek to know the truth. They were lost before they were born because their hearts were hard.
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>>>>>Seek to learn of Him, Mike, and you also will see for yourself.