>>>It is the work of God in us ... not our work ... not of us. Jesus alone has done it all. And what He gives to men, He gives freely. We will either receive it, or not. But the offer is extended to ALL people everywhere.
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>>First 4 words of your rebuttal are "its not about religion"....then in next 3
>>sentences you mention:
>>Jesus - 3 times
>>Holy Spirit - 1 time
>>'He' (meaning god) - 4 times
>>God - 4 times
>>Holy - 3 times
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>>Don't try to ... say it's not about religion, then spew out... that.
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>Religion is different. Religion is "I do this because God said to." Religion is "I pray before every meal because God said to." Religion is a thing people do ... because of something else.


So now you have to resort to redefining the english language? WTF!!

re·li·gion
/riˈlijən/
Noun
The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.
Details of belief as taught or discussed.
Synonyms
faith - belief - creed - denomination


>Having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is not religion.

Ok well lets assume for a minute that it's not a mental disorder - its a religious act.

>He changes men on the inside. That change is what brings forth the actions of praying before meals, or doing the things God said. It's not done for religion. It's done for love, for respect, because we now honor those things of God in a way that's from the inside and not from outward instruction, as through an instruction manual.

So praying and worshiping a god are not done for religion? Dude where do you come up with this stuff?

>It's like if you had grandparents who didn't want you to wear your shoes in the house. Because you loved your grandparents, you would honor their request and take your shoes off at the door.

Or maybe its not my grandparents and I don't love them and I'm just not a disrespectful asshole.

>It's different with following Christ though. It's more complete, more full because it involves the Spirit and not just the mind (as it would be with your grandparents -- you would honor them even if you thought in your own mind it was a silly rule, because you loved them -- but being born again changes you on the inside so you no longer think as you used to, the belief you have now through faith brings upon your life a reality that defeats men's reason, men's rationale, men's explanation of things because God's Spirit is powerful and is literally truth ... we cannot help but follow Him because we now hear that truth, we know it, and we pursue it).

All you're doing is repeating that faith is good and that logic and reasoning are bad - and then spitting out some fallacies of reasoning to go along with it. It's obvious your viewpoint is skewed and incorrect, and you saying these things is merely proving my point.

>I pray someday this makes sense to you, Victor. Jesus is love. Love for you. Love for me. Love for the entire world. His hands are extended (literally) to all people. He wants a relationship, not a religion. He wants to restore men, not condemn them. But sin is heinous and evil. God is putting it away. Forever.

So now your God and Jesus do not want a religion? Well I should of assumed you'd say that after pointing out the problem with the religion! That's right - if I point something out then just say "oh - that's not what god wants..yeah yeah..that's the ticket..yeah yeah"... I guess it's ok to change that too every few days based on history here.