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(Continued) Re: Copyright trolls of Prenda Law - looking
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14/03/2013 23:17:00
 
 
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14/03/2013 21:41:44
Luis Navas
Independent Consultant
Auckland, Nouvelle Zélande
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>So basically according to you, believers of all other faiths are wrong.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Him. He is the only way.


>That means that if they don't accept Jesus, they will go to hell right?

Yes, but it doesn't have to come through them knowing Jesus by name. Jesus is truth. He reveals Himself to all people as the truth that He is. And in this way, people either accept or reject the truth, which means they either accept or reject Him. And God sees through to the heart and knows the real condition of man in his inmost places. There is no hiding from God.


>So Jesus, who is full of love would be condemning innocent babies of other
>religions to be burn in hell for eternity.

You are looking at things through men's eyes, Luis. But God is not like men. He is eternal. He is light (truth, only goodness). He does not and cannot lie. He sees eternally. He has, for example, seen the entire history of the people that have been produced from all ancestors. He has seen what those ancestors have done. He has seen what their children have done. He has seen what their fathers have done. And He knows and remembers everything. He is also the author of people, of their souls, their bodies, and being fully comprehensive by His very nature, He knows the full truth about all things instantly, comprehensively, without error, and without distortion.

The people you and I see are seen through your and my eyes today as men living however many decades we have lived thus far. But God is not like that. He is eternal. He had conceived of everything before He created anything. And we are not God. But God has seen the truth of the condition of the people throughout time. And what is happening is happening to everyone who has rejected Him. And of the people today who would be saved, not one of them has been lost. All of them have been saved. Jesus has saved them all.

But what is coming will be coming for all who have rejected Him. And this rejection is not like the rejection of a type of music, or of a particular philosophy or doctrine. God is God. He made everything. And everything that exists in the universe is upheld continually by Him and His power and might. He has not made mistakes, everything is perfect, and there is nothing evil or dark or harmful or anything other than everything continually helpful, teaching, giving, caring, sharing, loving (God is good all the time, and all the time God is good) within Him. And what He has done is right.

So, from our point of view we have God who exists as an eternal being (before time began He was). He knows the truth of the entire history of all the ancestors (some 6,000 years back to Adam and Eve). He knows the decisions made by all people (going back) at all points. He knows what was in their heart. He knows what they did in secret. He knows what they did in the open. He knows their motivation.

And we know from the stories of the Old Testament where God saw a people being a particular way to other people, to Him, rejecting goodness, embracing sin, etc., and like the tree that bears bad fruit it must be cut down because within every seed produced by that tree comes the badness (in the DNA) to produce more bad fruit. And God knows all of this. Immediately. Comprehensively. Across what we would call time, but to Him it is "existence" because He is eternal.

>But you are sure he loves them.

Yes. As I say, not one who will receive Him has been lost. Ever. Jesus saves to the uttermost. But to everyone else who holds on to the darkness, who loves evil ways, sinful ways, disobedient-to-God ways, more than the truth ... to them is destruction. God is putting that cancer away so that all who enter into Heaven, enter into eternity, will NEVER have to face the heinous nature of the very things we see being done here upon this Earth by men today.

Heaven is paradise. Forever.


>It looks like most population of the world will go to hell.

Yes. Not many will be saved. In the last book of the Bible, in Revelation we read John talking about seeing the souls of men as 10,000 x 10,000 (a myriad of myriads), which is a billion people. Of all the people who have ever lived, of all the 6,000 year history of the Earth... only one billion will be saved. The rest are lost because they would not hear and receive the truth. They wanted a lie.

It's not God who is unable to save them. Jesus paid the FULL price for sin at the cross. He paid the whole price for all people. He paid everything. There is nothing left keeping men from God except men's sin.

Men love sin, love darkness, and it is that which keeps them from being saved.


>You see that is when I knew everything was a lie, religion is a way of controlling
>people, faith is the weapon religious people use to convince naive people to
>become part of it.

Often times religion is those things. But it has nothing to do with coming to know Jesus. Jesus is a Savior, with a capital S. He saves men from death. He sets them free from the bondage of sin. He gives new life in the Spirit allowing them to no longer be slaves to the sinful flesh and its never ending appetite for lusts and satiations.

Jesus is not a religion. He is a loving God who will guide people to be the men they are capable of being, both now here on the Earth, and in eternity.

Jesus makes all things new.


>You believe in dogmas. And don't tell me please that is about Jesus and not religion,
>that is why is called christian religion after all, they both need each other to exists.

You misunderstand, Luis. There is religion, and there is following Jesus Christ. Religion says "do this because it's in a book." Following Jesus Christ, being born again, changes you on the inside so that the natural nature of the things God wrote down in the Bible for men to come to know and understand, these things exist on the inside of a born again man innately.

A sinful man before receiving Christ might be angry, hateful, engaging in all manner of sin. But after receiving Christ, the burden is lifted, the bondage removed, and that free man begins to change. It is observable to everyone around him, and the behavior he displays is more and more like Christ as the process of sanctification has its way upon him.

Jesus leads people to life and that life more abundantly. The old ways are thrown off. The new ways are put on. The man is changed inwardly, and it affects everything outwardly.

Jesus is not about following a religion. Jesus is about salvation, and being born again of the Spirit. From there, from that place of the new man set free by Jesus, from there comes the behavior that will align with that which we find in the Holy Bible scriptures because it was God who wrote those words down, through men, through His Holy Spirit, guiding them, and protecting the sanctity of that written word over time so that nothing of substance was lost, and everything necessary for men to be saved remained. The born again man will live as the Bible directs, not from the outward instruction of the Bible through the eyes, into the brain, so that the man understands, though this also will happen, but it will come from God Himself, The Holy Spirit, who comes to live inside the born again believer, to guide Him in His ways.

Christians will behave like Christians when they are born again. This will be from the inside out, and not from the outside in, though they will still read and study the Holy Bible, and they will do so because the Spirit guides them, and they are obedient to His call. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the the word of God."

God has not left anything unattended, Luis. It is only the enemy of this world, and his demonic minions, who are out there spreading lies about Jesus, spreading lies about what is good, what is right, what is true, because they are condemned (all of them), and they are at war with God, and they hate God, and we were made in the image of God (all of us), and they see God in us when they see us, and they hate us, and they want to hurt God by taking as many of us with them into Hell as is possible.

But Jesus... But Jesus...

But Jesus has the power to save all of mankind ... if only they would listen to Him. But the sad reality is that men love darkness and evil ways more than the light and the truth. And it is that love (of darkness) which has condemned them only -- not God. God is forced to judge them because of what sin is, and because of who He is, and because of how heinous and damaging sin is to eternal beings. But God does not want to judge anyone. He wants to forgive everyone. That's why He sent His Son to die on that cross -- so that no man ever had to die again.

Men will not go into Hell unaware. They will go fully aware of what they have rejected (love, light), and what they have embraced (self, darkness). The Bible is very clear: "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Weeping because people are so sad that they KNEW to follow the truth, but chose not to do it for the sinful pleasures of this world. Gnashing of teeth for two reasons, because they are so angry with themselves because they KNEW to follow the truth, but chose not to do it for the sinful pleasures of this world, and because they are so angry with themselves because they KNEW to follow the truth, but chose not to do it for the sinful pleasures of this world.

Everything here is passing away. Nothing here will be taken with us into eternity. The Bible even teaches that everything here will ultimately be burned with fervent heat. But what we have here is for a time, a season, it is temporal. What is coming is eternal.

And we must consider the nature of that reality:
(1) First (what we have today, temporary) always gives way to last, but
(2) Last never gives way to anything (for it is last, it is eternal).

Those who seek their gain and goals of this temporary world will have nothing in eternity. But those who put on patience and wait for what's coming, seeking not gain in this world, but rather to be obedient to God as in eternity, will have treasures in eternity -- a promise given men by God.
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