>Do you know what Jesus told Peter when Peter was thinking like men regarding the death of Jesus at the cross?

I'm sure I have no idea at all what Jesus told Peter. But if you wish to quote Jesus I suggest you provide the original Hebrew version so that I can at least check that the translation was correct (being a bit jovial here, Rick, not being nasty or rude :).

The thing is that to quote the good book offers little power of conviction because every other religion with a good book (Judaism and Islam) can do the same and so those in the middle have no way of choosing between the exhortations of its adherents.


>Satan speaks through men, Jos. He does this through sin, by speaking about things which make sense to a man, but are completely backward from the ways God has established. Your response below ... it speaks of men's thoughts and men's ways, not God's. It is causing harm to many. God's ways are spirit, and they are life.

I will not debate your beliefs as I have no interest in debate whatsoever. Debate is for people who wish to promote their own beliefs and/or agenda or to prove how clever they are in argument. Often debaters have honed their debating skills and debate simply for the sake of winning. I have no interest in such endeavors.

To discuss something requires both parties to leave their beliefs, their dogma, their ideas, their opinions at the door otherwise how can you be free to investigate? If you are not free to investigate, free of your conditioning, free to listen, free to look, then the discussion is actually just the promotion of what you already (think you) know. Then there is no discussion, no investigation into the truth; there is just the collective monologue, each promoting their own dogma, often veiled behind the false respectability of tolerance