>>I wouldn't say fox is still going strong.

>>There are still die-hard holdouts.

How would you know? ;-) Seems to me that VFP is still strong in die-hard holdouts supplying desktop apps, where it offers huge advantage compared to bulkier/more finicky options. Chen's compiler makes it even better and the new 64-bit version means people can continue copying files to machines and just running apps for as long as traditional desktops survive. Those who moved onto web apps probably don't worry about this- but the market is moving back to native apps on mobile devices and it will be a hoot when Lianja allows VFP people to deliver native cross-platform apps as well. There's simply no reason for VFP to go away now- why would it? There are millions of lines of VFP code out there that are yet to be rewritten and now never may need to be.