>>No one is saying all gun owners are irresponsible.
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>I really think you should re-read Victor's posts. That's precisely what he is saying.
>Example: except that having a gun in your house makes your family LESS safe that not having one

No, what Victor said is statistically true. People with guns in the house are more likely to be injured by gun than people without. The lead author of this study seems to have done quite a lot of research in this area:

http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/5/6/502

Clearly, your family knows how to handle guns and thus lower their risks. But also clearly, for a lot of people, having a gun available in the home is a significant risk factor for death or injury.

Tamar