>>>Fresh from my wine country trip I have decided to drop this pointless discussion once again with a few parting thoughts.
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>>>To any questions which revolve around asking me some form of "why I need X" the simple answer is : Because I want them and because I can. That is almost the most basic element of America’s founding and freedom, and it’s why those who rail against it are perhaps the most evil amongst us.
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>>Ah, now you're being honest. The whole discussion wraps around that you want them because you can , and does not have anything to do with self defence or safety.
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>>Freedom? Don't make me laugh. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. If you want freedom buy a one way ticket to the inlands of australia. You can do there whatever you want. In the US you're experiencing even less freedom that most other civilised countries.
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>>Freedom, of getting an abortion, freedom of doing euthanasia, freedom of gay marriage, freedom of smoking pot, freedom of getting sexual education, freedom of nudity are not global freedoms to be found in the US and nor were they invented there either. Your proclamation of freedom in the US is a MYTH.
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>>Instead, you have freedom to have a gun at armreach to let 4 year old kids shoot eachothers brain out.
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>>I guess you want to have the freedom to own handgranates, rocket launchers, biochemical weapons, because of the 2nd amendment, and at the very same time the US want to withhold other nations from having weapons. Talk about hypocrisy !
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>>For the record. Cars are registered, drivers need to prove they can drive a car in a responsible way. You are prohibited to drive them when you are under influence of alcohol, medicine or drug. you need to have a license. Give me any real reason why this should not apply to guns??
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>>>For further info I direct you to my previous post on the subject Message#1560316.
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>>>Automobiles provide the perfect counterpoint to your baseless gun statistics as demonstrated by your deflective and easily refutable response.
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>>>Guns have no social or economic value for joe average,
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>>>This is nothing more than your opinion, repeated often in hopes of making it seem as fact. Your "value" system is not mine and since when is the social or economic value of something a requirement for people to participate. I see zero social or economic value in a bunch of dudes kicking a ball back and forth only to result in a 0-0 tie yet soccer is quite popular around the world.
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>>See Als' reply: its about the dangers/value ratio. I can't believe a developer can use such a flawed logic and is unable to see it.
>>Again this has nothing to do with logic, safety or freedom. It selfishness and short-sighted egocentric stupidity.
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>I think in your next post you shouldn't hold back - just let him have it :)
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>Just as an aside: iro "Freedom of getting an abortion, freedom of doing euthanasia, freedom of gay marriage, freedom of smoking pot, freedom of getting sexual education, freedom of nudity" - couldn't you come up with more profound freedoms than running around butt-naked, high on dope, same-sex shagging and then being free to off ourselves when we have had enough? I don't think these freedoms will carry a lot of weight with Jake...

I can't believe a developer can use such flawed examples and is unable to see it. ;)