>>could you show some code ? I get a subscript error on my interpretation of what you describe...
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>I've attached a ZIP file with the sample code. It's also in my How FoxPro works/Darkside of VFP session material.

Well this explains a few things. Specially the mysterious stuff which happens when you have a memberclass somewhere (for custom columns or pages), where the inits of these objects would run before the init of anything else on the pageframe-container-whatever, and during that init all the properties of these objects are at class default, not instance default. Even the code that runs is the class code, not instance code. Seems like another case when class object is exposed.