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Guys, please just let it go. These discussions have been interesting but maybe they have run their course. Rick, I respect you for the sincerity of your beliefs. And I can tell everyone that I had a number of phone conversations with Victor when I was going through a rough time. Without being preachy he helped me out. Is that not Christian?