>No, I did not try to reconcile dogmatic belief with the scientific model - I have no interest in that endeavor. The subject requires more time than what I am prepared to spend in a chat forum and hence I chose not to pursue it. Like Mel I think that I shall drop chatter forum, it all takes up too much time.

And the time required to compose a meaningful answer is the reason I didn't respond at the time, and now it would be a futile game to track who said what back then (if I could even remember when, must have been a few months ago). I guess that if I had found the messages I refer to, they wouldn't be what I remember, as I would read them differently now. This has happened before: I get an impression, then later can't find what caused it, even if I find the text which prompted it.

So let's call this whole relativization subthread a bug in my thinking.