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>>>>Workers should not be allowed to earn a fair living wage. After all that detracts from the bottom line of any company. Have them baked in China. They have plenty of ovens.
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>>>Employers should not be allowed to pay a market value wage. That detracts from the Union's share. Better to force the company to fold than to appear to give an inch.
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>>Oh, please. I am not going to claim unions are pure and blameless but management is no better. Unions came about for a reason, namely ruthless exploitation of workers.
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>and those that negotiate in good faith still have an important role, that is not the case with Hostess.
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>>It's a little ironic in my case because part of my dad's reputation was as a guy who kept the union out. He never did anything unsavory AFAIK. He just didn't want a union in. He didn't like some of the silly work rules like guys getting paid even if they weren't working. But he wasn't a zealot about it. Once he told me that he had more trouble with his bosses than he did with the workers. One of the best conversations I had at his wake last year was with the guy who headed negotiations when they were trying to unionize the warehouse. He said we were definitely adversaries in those negotiations but he always treated you with respect. If he disagreed with you he would tell you he disagreed with you, and why. He didn't talk down to you or threaten you.
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>>The other guy who was with him at the wake (unfortunately I don't remember either of their names) opened his sport jacket to show me an enormous silver belt buckle. He got it for winning the national truck drivers' rodeo, an event where semi trailer drivers compete in precision driving, driving through cones, parking into tight spots, that kind of thing. He said until your father came along we didn't do things like that. We didn't have uniforms. Our trucks didn't even have the name of the company on them, just the name of the company they were leased from, like Hertz. He said he made us proud to be drivers for Hannaford.
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>One of the interesting aspects of Hostess work rules included this gem. When a Hostess delivery person delivered products to a store they were not allowed to stock the shelves. A second person called a pull-up worker was required to perform that task. In addition, there were different pull-up workers for cakes and bread and never should they perform each other's task. ;)

It may not be right but this is standard in the grocery business.