>>>>>>>>>I've been waiting for Mike B to chime in on how disenfranchised the 3 poor sweet children were and how somehow the fault belongs to the white kid.
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>>>>>>>>>The driver should be taken out and beaten publicly for not stopping the fight IMHO. Grab one of the thugs and put his head through a (closed) window and I'd bet the fight would be over.
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>>>>>>>>Yes the best way to teach people not to commit violence is to beat them up...especially if they didn't jump into the middle of a fight that had nothing to do with them. Briiiiiiliant!
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>>>>>>>The fight had nothing to do with them? The bus driver? The authority figure on the bus?
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>>>>>>Yes but keep in mind that he's the ONLY authority figure on the bus and he's in his 60's. Perhaps jumping in the middle of a fight against 3 youths and leaving no one at the drivers seat or talking on the radio isn't such a bright idea. And despite the fact these were kids they were 15, one 60+ year old man vs 3 enraged teenagers would probably not only be an act of futility but would also put the other kids on the bus in even more danger.
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>>>>>So that is the excuse for cowardice?
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>>>>I'm gonna have to disagree to a degree. Admittedly I haven't read every detail of this thread, but a 60 year old man is going to do nothing physically in this case except sacrifice his own well-being. I do think he should have found something to do to try to defuse the situation though. I'm surprised there wasn't some sort of plan in place for something like this - maybe having the driver armed with pepper spray or a taser.
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>>>I'm a couple of months shy of 56 and I'd have been in it in the blink of an eye. I think my mother would have been in it when she was in her 70's. I'll come to a kid's defense in a heartbeat.
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>>Ok well most people don't run towards confrontations and violent encounters, particularly when they're out numbered 3 to 1 by guys younger and stronger...and frankly doing so could be easily be (and should be) considered rather stupid and irresponsible.
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>I realize that liberals are moving as fast as possible to the 'not my job' mode of thinking. They all can get government jobs that way.

Not being a stupid idiot does not suddenly mean you're a lazy liberal looking for handouts.

>>>Victor is the only person talking about a gun in this discussion so he can try to deflect the criticism.
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>>My point was that nothing good would of come from having a gun involved in this confrontation.
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>>>A taser might not be that bad an idea for drivers that have routes carrying little animals like those. A contact taser makes a pretty good point when needed, and you don't have to worry about missing.
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>>Yes I agree with that. Only concern of course would be if it's 3 against 1 there is a chance one of the thugs is just going to take it away from you though.
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>Yes. Maybe everyone should just wait for the government to come to the rescue.

Better than your stance of taking the law into your own hands and risking the well being of a bus full of kids.

>>>>I'm a gun-loving man but this was not the right situation for a gun.
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>>>>>>>Never get near my kids Victor.
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>>>>>>Yeah right. I'm sure things would of turned out better for everyone with your mentality behind it - we'd have three dead gunshot kids instead of one beat up kid.
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>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/07/florida-school-bus-beatdown-goes-unnoticed-by-self-styled-civil-rights/
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>>>>>>>>>>3 to 1 and the 3 each 2 years older at a critical age for growth - no discussion needed.
>>>>>>>>>>Also no discussion needed on some usually audible political segments now being silent.
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>>>>>>>>>>That said -
>>>>>>>>>>1) in the discussions the 13 year old was praised for having forwarded information on being offered drugs.
>>>>>>>>>>a) In my book the answer to drugs is to try to teach to say "No" and have it understood by potential seller in the future, ***not*** telling them to snitch (loaded vocabulary no accident here).
>>>>>>>>>>b) Unless the offered deal was along the lines of "give me 150$ for 2g and you won't get beaten" the situation does not add up - sellers won't offer to anybody they just happen to meet on the street (at least over here), my private guess is there is a hidden story as well.
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>>>>>>>>>>2) IN the discussions on whether the driver should have stepped in physically, one side mentioned the drivers should be given guns (if they were afraid/physically unable to handle 3 15y olds). Usually I am almost all on Jakes side of the argument, but such stupidity makes it easy to understand Walters arguing against all guns. In a tight situation, in a bus loaded mostly with uninvolved kids, any bullet not hitting the target and staying all inside that guy is much more likely to hit one of the uninvolved kids. Even a SWAT team likes to go in with a surprise element and they are trained to handle not only their weapons but the auxiliary stress caused by the situation. Pepper spray, a club (NOT the axe! mentioned also by one bozo) or a taser are the right tools if you need tools at all in that tight space. And this is ***not*** said in a wish to save the perps. I realize you did not voice it, but I felt "fellow european with Walter" when I heard that part of the show, even if I usually don't on that particular topic ;-)