I should just let this go. And I will after this post.

Maybe I really am getting older because your comments were deeply hurtful to me. Some things that used to just roll off my back bother me now. To be told that I am not only a racist but "about as racist as it gets on this site" and saying I always find a way to blame the white guy. Those statements are not true. I read some of the same news stories you do and if the perpetrator(s) are black I am just as angered as you are. Throw away the key. As Richard Pryor (black) said, "Thank God for penitentiaries."

You and Mike C. both allude to the George Zimmerman case. I happen to think he was guilty of murder. That is not based on the color of his skin but on the facts as they are known. I do not claim to know all the facts. Only two people know for sure what happened on that street in Florida and only one of them is still living. Some things are known. Trayvon Martin was walking down the street minding his own business. No one testified that he accosted George Zimmerman or threatened him in any way. Zimmerman called the police reporting a suspicious character, something he had done many times before. He was told to stay where he was and that they would handle it. He disobeyed that police order and followed Martin, with a loaded gun. He said he was attacked and was forced to use the gun because he was in fear for his life. Again, I do not know exactly what happened. I just did not find his story credible. The important thing is I would feel the same way if the races had been reversed. You don't know me at all if you think I approach things with an anti-white bias.

You have never struck me as the apologetic type and I will not beat my chest demanding one. I just wanted you to know how upsetting and untrue your comments were.


>>You will spend a long time waiting. You either misunderstand me or intentionally misrepresent my views.
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>I do not misunderstand you when it comes to race and calling people racist. You are about as racist as it gets on this site. One way or another, you'll blame the white (or Hispanic recently) guy no matter the facts.
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>>>I've been waiting for Mike B to chime in on how disenfranchised the 3 poor sweet children were and how somehow the fault belongs to the white kid.
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>>>The driver should be taken out and beaten publicly for not stopping the fight IMHO. Grab one of the thugs and put his head through a (closed) window and I'd bet the fight would be over.
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>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/07/florida-school-bus-beatdown-goes-unnoticed-by-self-styled-civil-rights/
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>>>>3 to 1 and the 3 each 2 years older at a critical age for growth - no discussion needed.
>>>>Also no discussion needed on some usually audible political segments now being silent.
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>>>>That said -
>>>>1) in the discussions the 13 year old was praised for having forwarded information on being offered drugs.
>>>>a) In my book the answer to drugs is to try to teach to say "No" and have it understood by potential seller in the future, ***not*** telling them to snitch (loaded vocabulary no accident here).
>>>>b) Unless the offered deal was along the lines of "give me 150$ for 2g and you won't get beaten" the situation does not add up - sellers won't offer to anybody they just happen to meet on the street (at least over here), my private guess is there is a hidden story as well.
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>>>>2) IN the discussions on whether the driver should have stepped in physically, one side mentioned the drivers should be given guns (if they were afraid/physically unable to handle 3 15y olds). Usually I am almost all on Jakes side of the argument, but such stupidity makes it easy to understand Walters arguing against all guns. In a tight situation, in a bus loaded mostly with uninvolved kids, any bullet not hitting the target and staying all inside that guy is much more likely to hit one of the uninvolved kids. Even a SWAT team likes to go in with a surprise element and they are trained to handle not only their weapons but the auxiliary stress caused by the situation. Pepper spray, a club (NOT the axe! mentioned also by one bozo) or a taser are the right tools if you need tools at all in that tight space. And this is ***not*** said in a wish to save the perps. I realize you did not voice it, but I felt "fellow european with Walter" when I heard that part of the show, even if I usually don't on that particular topic ;-)