Fair enough. Perhaps also would have been better to ask for an example for compelling UI from my side first to establish common ground in multi-facetted and taste-influenced environment.

>I'm not saying they don't exist. Just that *I* haven't seen any. And I've seen A LOT of Java applications.
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>>In the 2003-2008 area some java applets in banking/finance/investing were much more evolved than back then HTML implementations - comparing only browser usage in desktops as samrtphones had not happened in a big way.
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>>Startup time and to a lesser degree UI performance in desktop is one of the clear java drawbacks with growing complexity - much worse than IDL based stuff and a clear win often for every direct C/ASM/Delphi stuff. Java also often more functional with less options/tries for eye candy - which is good enough for me, but I know that I am not the typical user. But there are solid/workable implementations in java from quite a few areas - perhaps not "inspired" or ground-breaking, but those might actually piss off a sizable portion of potential user base. At least a two edged sword ;-)