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>Try explaining to a client why he should live with a dog built on a bloated framework (no insult intended to UT framework vendors) :-D

Well... good for us programmers that CPUs have come from the mainstream of 486-33 when Codebook 3.0 was released to Pentium II-333.

Also, I have to tell you that codebook has a very streamlined class library, if you know how to use it. Want to see bloat and slowness, well, I won't mention the name here, but I know where to point you.

Problem is, alot of Frameworks try to be RAD tools... and, there is a difference.

Anyway... when I go to a client and they want Auditing, Security, Client Server support, MultiUser contention processing, Activity Logging... know I don't have to write that time after time is great... but, as you say, you only want to include what the client wants.

BOb