That's the thing, Kevin, there are no good men.

Tamar will be proud of me for this one (I think): from the biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah, Jewish scholars evolved the idea that God would destroy the earth if ever it lacked some minimum number of good people. The exact number needed to avert his wrath was hotly debated, and finally settled as 36. :)

Rick, I disagree - there ARE good men and women. This has always been the root of my opposition to most religions - the notion that the highest concepts possible are usurped and placed beyond that which men can reach.

The second is the entire idea of the sacrifice. Christ represents that which man should strive to emulate - but supposedly he died for sinners. To me, sinners are killers, rapists, thieves, men who beat their wives and beat children. If I were a Christian, nothing would make me more indignant than the idea that the ideal must be sacrificed for the non-ideal

If men are fine then there was no need for such a sacrifice.

I actually agree with you on that.

Man is born "tabula-rasa", with the free will and the choices to be good or bad, to try to make a benevolent world or something less. Man is not perfect, but it does not follow that lack of perfection = sinful and in need of "saving"


I would like to ask you a question. It's a question I posed to someone here on the UT years ago.

In Nazi Germany, approximately 1.1 million Jewish children died. Since you believe in the after-life, what happened to those 1.1 million who likely were never baptized and who likely did not accept Jesus as a savior? What happened to them on their "judgment day"?