>>>John, if you'll go back and read my original post, I said I didn't disagree with you, but also added another factor. Didn't realize you were the ultra-sensitive type.
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>Right, and I responded to your additional factors of "choice and accountability" that now require explanation of why Dutch kids seem more capable in this respect and South Korean kids even more so. Seems to me you're identifying the symptom, not the cure.

Wasn't aware the onus was on me for a cure.

But I gave you a strong hint on a major factor - it relates to the very question you asked. I'll give you a hint...you assumed a plural context.