>>I agree with you on Rose, but I do have some caveats. Rose did what he did as a ballplayer and nobody can take that away. His betting doesn't really seem to have been a factor in his play, so I say, sure. Let him in. Having said that though, there are some others that personally, I'd bar the gate. Mark McGwire comes to mind. Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa etc. etc. I would keep them out on the grounds that we have no idea whether they have the credentials had they played honestly. Unlike Rose, their actions did affect their play and as such, for my money, they do not get into the HOF.
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>I heard someone on TV the other day, suggesting that ultimately the solution may be to have a special section in the HOF for the guys from the Steroids era, something like the asterisk in the record books.
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>Although I hate what Bonds did, I think he was a HOF player before his head started growing. Ditto for Clemens.
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Yes. In fact I almost just wrote that in reply to Alan. But who knows for sure when it started? It's not like you can take their word for anything. They are proven liars.

As we have discussed privately, the most disappointment to me about Ryan Braun is that he may have been roiding since college, according to someone who knew him at the U of Miami. For the benefit of non-baseball fans, Braun was the star of the Milwaukee Brewers and also my favorite baseball player. He was banned for using steroids. His account was that he used them only briefly at the end of one season to help him through some lingering injuries. Liar, liar, pants on fire. Let's just say he is no longer my favorite player. Sports can uplift us but they will also let us down sometimes.

Here is one you will probably like (although it will probably piss you off as well) --

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/magazine/who-said-girls-cant-jump.html?_r=0