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>>, but because it is more fitting to MY mental picture than "unlikely" or other more PC wordage.

>Yes you are, Thomas. It is the only reason you say such a thing. You belittle me, my efforts, and the reasons why I do them: in support of Jesus Christ, as with me being a Christian and desiring to honor and serve Him with my life. You use words stating that such an effort is nothing less than a demonstration of hypocrisy and ridiculousness because there doesn't already exists a path to get there without "going through the muck."

While I certainly am biased, I think I can reflect on my thought process better than anybody knowing only my posts. I weighed that word and thought about my mental process.

>Stallman's views are extreme. I read this article on him and contacted him via email asking if it were true, and questioning him if he was quoted accurately, and if he still believed the same way (as the quote was from 2006). He said he was quoted accurately, and did still believe the same way. As a result, I could not be a part of an organization (FSF) led by him, nor an active member of a project (GNU) created by him.
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Point in your favor, you did ask when I would have taken at least part of his attitude (if it was the one found in Wiki) to be tongue-in-cheek.

>>Or to take a different angle: why do you put down the effort of Linus and a myriad of programmers because of a single persons view how sex and law should be changed ?
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>I do not limit my criticism to Stallman, but his group created the HURD kernel, and that was the focus of my attention at that time. I desired to give a viable alternative to the world, one which was not Linux, and did not contain binary blobs. I believe in what Stallman purports as free software for everyone, and everything, that all software everywhere should be completely and only copyleft-protected open-source. That's why I was going to work on the HURD, a kernel which began before Linux, yet today is still not of production quality some 23+ years later. I wanted to complete that kernel to have the entire ecosystem above the hardware level be of the copyleft-protected open-source form, one which did not contain binary blobs, and one which was robust, and feature rich. I had tried previously with Exodus, but was unable to complete it myself due to the large amount of work involved. I also kept that project a secret at the time, and was looking to get it done and then release it to everybody. However, I am no longer looking to do things in secret because I have, over time, seen the power of the copyleft-protected open-source communities, that which I call "liberty software."

Thx for detailed explanation - which at least on "binary blobs" echoes some sentiments of mine, which lately [via Snowden] have grown more serious in my world view. But in toto more with Tamar thinking that his views do not taint the software produced by him and others in such a way to prohibit using it.

>>If you extend the basic axioms of wishing for an "untainted" system, you would have to add a selective
>>barrier even to those considering to work on your project:
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>I do. I welcome everyone to come and work on it. However, when you step through my project's doors, everything will be done for Jesus Christ. You will either come as a believer already, or you will be willing to work under that leadership, submitting yourself to Him for the duration of your contribution. If it is otherwise, then we cannot work together.

how far is that from thought police?

>>In my take on things you have set up house rules making it unlikely to succeed in any way getting a
>>system out which will attract more than three user digits, if you get someting workable out of the
>>door at all.
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>I succeed so long as I maintain my focus upon Jesus Christ. The moment I put my focus on some other area, so as to "get the project done" or to "get people to help me," only then have I failed. If I maintain my vision and die at 120 years old having never completed Visual FreePro or Exodus, but I have maintained my focus upon the Lord, then I have succeeded completely.
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>My success does not come in completing the project, but in maintaining focus upon the Lord. I have stated many times that this project will ONLY be completed IF the Lord deems it so. My efforts are given over to Him, and He knows my heart. He knows why I am doing all of this work, and I stand before Him in continuous desire and peace to serve Him. If He wants this project to be completed, it will be. If He does not want this project to be completed, it won't be. I have little to do with it, except that each day I get up desiring from within to offer up unto Him the best that I possess, which is of the gifts He has given me in all areas of my life.

Sympathizing with the japanese "the way is more important than the target" perhaps I understand more than you imagine. But there are many ways...

>>>Those two will free us from any other ties toward corporate greed, and profit motives, and perverse lusts of men. Visual FreePro is not just a replacement for Visual FoxPro. It is closer to an alternative to Java or .NET, one with its own GNU Compiler-like toolchain, called RDC (the Rapid Development Compiler framework).
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>>Again: even if you kept your dev ranks "corruption free" even if adding one or two, as soon as you would have success, those will jump aboard in some way.
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>I do not understand this sentence.
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>>Stallman himself clearly would not be allowed to work on your project based on the above ?
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>If he were willing to release all of his work for the glory of Jesus Christ, sure he could work on it. I pray that he does turn and accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior, and come to work on this project. It would be fantastic.

possible scenarios:
somebody comes aboard, but you later both discover that he is less clean than your standard need him to be.
somebody comes aboard, but later becomes attracted to some of the practices you abhor.
somebody comes aboard, under false pretenses, fifth column-style
somebody will fork your stuff or just use it - while being unclean

Will that force you to abandon your project ? It is the flip side of the argument that not all of the HURD devs are guaranteed to be unworthy...

>>>What I am doing with these projects is trying to set men free from the bondage which exists. The only way I know to get there is to move. And, without significant help from others, I cannot do it in an isolated fashion, but I must use what's available. If I had others helping me, we could do it using some other platform, because the slowness of development in such a case would be offset by the additional men working on it.
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>>House rules setting you up for failure
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>I respect your opinion. I disagree with it. By serving the Lord in all areas, I succeed completely, even if the project never finishes.

Ok if seen in the japanese way. But asking for money to finance your effort, when seen that way, might have a touch of being not totally honest, as a positive result in business frame of mind seems improbable, but you ask from more biz related issues like cost of porting and give out time projections that seem to be bogus. Your answer to JB is more candid ;-)

>I pray you will change your heart, Thomas, and receive and accept the One with the authority and desire to set you free from judgment, and damnation.

thx I guess, even if it does not fit into my world view.