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>>>>Actually I didn't look it up like you do. My reference to homophobia was based upon some of Rick's earlier messages in other threads.
>>>I don't understand the phobia part. Do they really imply all those who disagree with homosexuality are scared of it? For xenophobia likewise.
>>I do not have homophobia. The Bible teaches that homosexuals will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, and I teach the same. Tore has likened this to homophobia.
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>No-one does, because it simply does not exist. One is born as hetro- or homosexual. It is not a
>matter choice, which is too often ignored.

People believe they are born homosexual because of the result of sin, and the presence of evil spirits which continually introduce these thoughts, along with various feelings that are contrary to that which God created. Were a person to search for the truth, and come to know who Jesus is, and accept Him as their Savior, and ask God to send His Holy Spirit into their lives, those evil spirits are cast out (sometimes with much prayer and fasting), and the person is "healed" of their homosexuality (which never truly existed, but was only a particular manifestation of sin in that particular person -- other people manifest sin in other ways, workaholics, sexaholics, alchoholics, etc.).

Sin is the enemy. Jesus is the only way to conquer sin in your life. And God's Holy Spirit is the only source of Truth that exists.


>I cannot imagine Jesus would have expelled homosexuals anyways (Yes most people
>recognise that he did exist).

Jesus will cast every homosexual into the eternal lake of Fire unless they repent of their sin. This is the second death (we die once in our flesh, but after those who did not receive Jesus Christ in this world stand before God to be judged for their misdeeds, to be found guilty, and then cast out forever). People think this is a reactionary response to sin, or bad behavior in one's life. But the truth is the reverse: All men are born into sin, spiritually dead, without eternal life. Jesus is the only name given under Heaven by which we must be saved, and without an acceptance of His free offering, we will perish eternally.

It is appointed unto all men once to die, and then the judgment. The only way to circumvent that end is to accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, so that He paid/pays the price for your sin with His death at the cross.

The enemy teaches many wrong things to mislead people. But those who seek the Truth will find it, and be saved.

Here are the biblical references:
No homosexuals in Heaven - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - NIV - "9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

The Amplified Bible provides us with context - AMP - "9 Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,
10 Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.
11 And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God."

The King James Version reads - KJV - "9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

And Young's Literal Translation reads - YLT - "9 have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit.
11 And certain of you were these! but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were declared righteous, in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God."

This is repeated by Jesus Himself in Revelation 22:15 - AMP - "15 [But] without are the dogs and those who practice sorceries (magic arts) and impurity [the lewd, adulterers] and the murderers and idolaters and everyone who loves and deals in falsehood (untruth, error, deception, cheating)"
NIV - "15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."
KJV - "15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."
YLT - "15 and without [are] the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the whoremongers, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one who is loving and is doing a lie."

We have the original law in which God states that homosexuality is an abomination Leviticus 18:22 - AMP - "22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination."
NIV - "22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."
KJV - "22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
YLT - "22 And with a male thou dost not lie as one lieth with a woman; abomination it [is]."

That verse in 22 comes before the warning about having sex with animals. And we have the prescribed punishment in verse 29-30 (following warnings that men have done these things immorally throughout) - KJV - "29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."

The Levitical Laws were given to Moses from God, and they were to demonstrate that no man can keep the Law, that all of us need a savior. The Jews used to offer a daily sacrifice for their sins, and will return to this offering in the end times. The sacrifice was the death of an animal, and with that death their sins were "atoned" for a short while, hence the daily sacrifice. It was a foreshadowing of what would come with Jesus, in that because He is God, because He is eternal, He was able to offer a sacrifice one time for all, and then on the 3rd day when He rose again, He now lives forever, atoning for our sins by His death forever, so those who were put to death with Him by His sacrifice are also raised with Him into life by His resurrection.

In Hebrews 13:8 we read, NIV - "8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." This demonstrates that even though we are no longer under the Law, God has not changed. He still hates homosexuality, and it is still an abomination. Jesus is able to take away all of the sin committed by men and women in their acts of homosexuality, and of all other sinful acts, but not unless that person repents and turns from their sin. All who continue in their sin will perish in Hell forever, the result of sin bringing with it the full wages, which are death (Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23).

Paul warns us in Romans also that women committing homosexual acts are not discounted. Here we also see the general attitude of God toward ungodly behavior, toward wickedness and wrongdoing:

Romans 1:18-32 - NIV - "18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness,
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.
27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,
30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents;
31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy.
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

God is a big God. He created and is running the entire universe simultaneously. The proud and arrogant thoughts of men which run in contrast to God will not stand. It is He and He alone who is God. That is what the whole Lucifer/Satan thing is about (Lucifer wanted to be God, and God kicked him out of Heaven and sentenced him to Hell, which was a place created for evil angels, it was never intended for man, but because of man's sin:

Isaiah 5:14-16, KJV - "14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
15 And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:
16 But the Lord of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness."

God is maintaining perfection in Heaven. Sin cannot abide there, because God is Holy, Holy, Holy. As a demonstration of this relationship in this world, we can see the effects of cancer. Cancer is a foreign entity to an otherwise healthy body. It consumes, and spreads, and is a disease that must be completely removed, and not simply lived alongside. Sin is the cancer. And God excising it into Hell is the cure.

There really is a battle taking place. It is for YOUR eternal soul. Do not look to the ones around you. Do not look toward your former teaching. Listen to Him calling you in your heart. He calls out to all men to save them. He desires for you to be with Him in eternity, but that cannot happen unless you repent, turn from your sinful, wicked ways, and seek the manner in which you should live, what you should believe, how you should believe, from Him. His is the "Holy" Spirit, which means it is pure and undefiled. When you seek guidance from Him, He gives you only the right ways to be. It is only the enemy who gives men alternate ideas about how to live, and that is done exactly for one reason: to keep you distracted by your sinful, carnal mind long enough for you to reach the grave, and be eternally condemned, as all of the fallen angels, demons, devils, evil spirits, that have also already been judged. They are exceedingly wrought with anger because their time is short, and they are striving with great passion to bring as many down as will go with them. But Jesus' sacrifice is greater than all, and He will save everyone who comes to Him. No exceptions, no matter the sin, the former acts ... Hitler could've been saved had he repented. But you must seek the Lord while He can be found, which is of those times when you hear His voice. Turn off the TV, turn off the radio, turn off the movies, turn off the distractions, and spend alone time in silence with God. The enemy inhabits those distractions, but when you are alone, seeking God, seeking the Truth, seeking in your heart, He will be found.

Please ask any questions, and if you like I will pray with you for this end. I testify that God is absolutely amazing, and that while He does not promise an easy road in this life, there is a peace and love that descends into your heart, a gift from God from Heaven, a "down payment" on what we will receive on the other side, which is the presence of His Holy Spirit. Such love a man has never known, and such love inspired many a men to do amazing things in this world for the Lord.

Be one of them who receives Him and is saved. He offers complete restoration, better than those home repair services that advertise, "Like it never even happened." He takes all the sin, all the guilt, all the filth of our lives away, and gives us His perfect, holy, righteousness in its place. No greater gift is there for man. And no greater cause to teach others about what it is being offered.

God is not a punishing God. He is a forgiving God. But He will be a punishing God unto sin, and all who embrace it without remorse.

Peace.